It isn’t often that a book from mainstream media gives us something worth citing.
However, considering one of the upcoming books, “I alone can fix it,” has an interview with Trump in it we have some very good material regarding Trump’s thoughts.
During his interview, Trump unloaded on Mike Pence over his actions on Jan 6th.
Trump pointed out that Pence had a duty to stand up to what was a fraudulent election.
He also was quoted as telling Mike Pence “Mike, you can be Thomas Jefferson or you can be Mike Pence.”
We know what Pence chose.
‘Had Mike Pence had the courage to send it back to the legislatures, you would have had a different outcome, in my opinion,’ he told authors Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker.
His vice president was obliged to stand up if he saw evidence of fraud, he said.
‘I think that the vice president of the United States must protect the Constitution of the United States,’ he added.
‘I don’t believe he’s just supposed to be a statue who gets these votes from the states and immediately hands them over. If you see fraud, then I believe you have an obligation to do one of a number of things.’
He also reprised an argument used by his supporters that Vice President Thomas Jefferson overrode concerns that House and Senate tellers raised about Georgia’s electoral college votes in 1800 – which historian say was a minor discrepancy that does not compare with the 2020 election.
‘So I said, “Mike, you can be Thomas Jefferson or you can be Mike Pence,”‘ said Trump.
That isn’t the only bad news for Pence either.
What few people said they saw in Pence, however, was the Republican nominee for president in 2024.
Many Iowa Republicans had seen the results of the most recent Conservative Political Action Conference straw poll, released just days earlier, in which Pence flatlined, drawing no more than 1 percent support. Before that, they’d watched the video of Pence getting heckled and called a “traitor” at a major gathering of conservatives in Florida last month.
“I don’t imagine he’d have a whole lot of support,” said Raymond Harre, vice chair of the GOP in eastern Iowa’s Scott County. “There are some Trump supporters who think he’s the Antichrist.”
Harre said Pence “did a good job as vice president,” and he called the vitriol directed at him “kind of nutty.” Still, he said, “I don’t see him overcoming the negatives.”
Six months after he left the vice presidency, that is the prevailing view at the grassroots and among the GOP political class. By most accounts, both here and nationally, Pence is dead in the early waters of 2024.
“Who?” Doug Gross, a Republican operative who was a chief of staff to former Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, replied flatly when asked about Pence. “It’s just, where would you place him? … With Trumpsters, he didn’t perform when they really wanted him to perform, so he’s DQ’d there. Then you go to the evangelicals, they have plenty of other choices.”
Reminder, the base stands with Trump:
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